Tuesday, October 2, 2012

must aapl

http://seekingalpha.com/author/marek-fuchs/articles


Disclosure: I have no positions in any stocks mentioned, and no plans to initiate any positions within the next 72 hours. (More...)
Apple (AAPL) is poised for transformation. Though only time will tell whether that takes the form of innovative new products, but in the coming days, it should take the form of a transformed public perception.
But before we get ahead of ourselves, let's back up for a moment.
Why was last week different from all others in the world of Apple? The company that could do no wrong took a barrel roll. It had its big lights put out. Its feet turned to clay. It... you get the point.
It stunk up the joint.
Shares of Apple fell more than 2% in trading on Friday, a red punctuation mark to a week in which it lost nearly 5% of its value. Friday even featured the previously unthinkable: a handwringing apology from Tim Cook for a job poorly done on the mapping program on the new iPhone5. And that wasn't even all the bad news stuffed into Apple's ignoble little week. Research In Motion (RIM), reliably fading into oblivion, reported earnings that beat expectations and Barnes and Noble (BKS) unveiled more products designed to kick Apple in the shins. Meanwhile, Amazon (AMZN) and Google (GOOG) and everyone else with a tablet or smartphone and a dream kept at it too.
Apple, though, is poised to recover. The reasons go beyond mapping fiascos and competition attempting to breach their castle wall. We're talking the economy, stupid.
Traders spent most of the fourth fiscal quarter, which ended Friday, lost in the thought that the economy was recovering, which propped stock prices up against better judgment.
Last week, though, came a nearly inarguable shift. Pull back all those end-of-month-and-quarter economic reports and you'll reveal an economy that is nowhere near recovery.
Everything that should be up, was down - and everything that should be down, was up. Durable good numbers were the worst in three years, Gross Domestic Product was revised to show the economy a mere rock skip from recession, and consumer spending and real income were bad and worse.
In any normal week, market mood won't easily recover from such a deluge of reports. But this is no normal week. At best, traders will wait this week out for Friday's jobs report. In the void, while biding their time, traders will search for safety. There will be a gravitational pull toward healthcare stocks like Merck (MRK), Pfizer (PFE) and Johnson and Johnson (JNJ), which offer comparatively recession-free business and dividends. And there will be a move back into Apple, even if just for the time being.
Nevermind Tim Cook's long-term worth or whether RIM or Barnes and Noble will rise from the dead to slay Apple in 143 years. This week will be about the here and now search for fairly reliable earnings. And though Apple reported disappointing third-quarter results and while you can marshal an argument that it will disappoint long-term, you will not be able, in this week of economic trial and tribulation, to get trader's greedy little eyes off the company's greater than 20% growth rate as far as you can adequately see.
Apple also has well over $100 billion in cash, roughly $125 per share. That's reliable. It's selling at about10 times fiscal 2012 earnings estimates, thanks, in part, to factors, like growth in China. The iPhone5, which wasn't available in the third quarter, now flying off shelves in the fourth.
Long-term, there is a lot to start considering in terms of Apple that might not be as pretty. But save that for another day - certainly another week. Short-term, as traders rethink assumptions about a recovering economy that had lifted plenty of stocks undeservedly, Apple will be one of the few safe havens.
Comments (46)
  • It wasn't all bad news last week. China mobile is on board for the iPhone. And, on the maps thing, Cook also gave a solution to the problem with his apology. There are several options there.

    A new development, for me, happened yesterday afternoon. I received a notice from ATT that my iPhone 5 has was shipping and I would have it Tuesday and my credit card had been charged. That's one more iPhone in the 4th quarter. No big deal, right?

    But...I was told when I ordered it last week that I should not expect to receive it until Oct 21-28th. A friend of mine with delivery expected 2-3 weeks hence has his coming, too. I have no idea how many more were shipped within the last quarter but it seems what ever supply backlogs which were rumored last week may have either disappeared or never were as bad as some wanted us to believe.

    Maybe APPL won't disappoint after all. Long AAPL.
    1 Oct, 12:50 PMReplyLike2
  • @StLoMoDan,
    Agree with your stance on AAPL.
    In Q3, Technology stocks in the S&P 500 scored one of the better performances, with the sector (XLK) rising 7% in price and besting the 5.8% price-return for the S&P 500.
    The 71 stocks rose an average of 4.2%, which not only trailed the return of the sector but also lagged the overall market.
    What's going on?
    Google and Apple is all the story.
    The sector was certainly boosted by GOOG's 30% gain and AAPL's 14% jump.
    In accordance with this http://bit.ly/Nx1WY8 forecast.
    Good Trading!
    1 Oct, 02:48 PMReplyLike11
  • My AT&T store was out of 32GB units by 9:30am on launch day. I also preordered expected 2-3 weeks. I hope I get a notification early too.

    Once Apple catches up to orders and improves Maps their stock should continue to do well.
    1 Oct, 02:56 PMReplyLike0
  • Apple's at 666. That's really scary.
    1 Oct, 03:12 PMReplyLike0
  • You can go online if your order is still processing, cancel your ship to, and reorder as store pickup you can pick it up the next day. Be ready at 10:00pm sharp, don't order anything else just the phone. Use the Apple Store app on your iphonefor better results.
    1 Oct, 05:38 PMReplyLike1
  • surprise more BS supply constraints. I was tipped off when people off the street were walking in and buying one on the Monday following release (means that store didn't even have enough scalpers with $600+ to blow). Hope I can get a wiiU that easy.

    No opinion on appl at these levels, not long cause I look for triple digit return potential (which is all but impossible from here) and not short because apple is still too cool for school.
    1 Oct, 08:00 PMReplyLike0
  • not with regard to my workaround, you see shipments arrive at 10PM but by 10:05 the demand is so high the shipments are already sold out. Now those shipments may be 50 or 500 per store, but almost every Bay Area store is sold out every night before inventory even sees the light of day.

    So what I'm referring to is still supply constraint, but you can beat the 3-4 weeks if you have rapid fingers!
    1 Oct, 08:06 PMReplyLike0
  • AAPL- dropped like a hot potatoes from $700 to $666ish - is just what the investing community needs for Halloween.

    When AAPL was at $700ish, many SA writers jump in predicting $800 is just a matter of time. Now AAPL at $666, they are nowhere to be found. I bet that when AAPL recover, they will come out of the wood again.
    2 Oct, 12:18 AMReplyLike0
  • It's been there before. Traders have weird number habits.
    2 Oct, 06:04 AMReplyLike0
  • When AAPL takes off again it will be an inspirational thing to watch.

    I was looking through some semi-annual mutual fund reports this weekend and I noticed how many had AAPL at the top of the holdings.

    Maybe Wall Street has had enough of AAPL.

    Why buy more?
    1 Oct, 12:54 PMReplyLike0
  • Google is trading at 22 times earnings. The S&P average is 16 times earnings. Apple is trading at 15 times earnings. The problem is that everyone has the hopes and dreams of the Titanic riding on this stock, but at a minimum you have to say that it's at least as good as Google and better than the average S&P. So, they launch they're new phone and sell more phones than anyone has ever sold in three days. Not good enough. And now we're going to throw out the whole darn stock because of a map aps. If Apple came this far, they can certainly work the bugs out of their maps. The prudent investor will average into this position all the way down. There's not an intelligent reason for the stock to slide this much.
    1 Oct, 10:44 PMReplyLike1
  • Apple has the eco system that should go way beyond iphone/ipad-
    Look at all the crap that the iphone/ipad has replaced- magazines,camera,recor... etc.

    now look at all the crap in the home- multiple remotes, wireless gadgets, security systems just a ton of stuff.

    Apple TV will allow the ipod (or iphone,ipad) to control all in the house- the security system, entertainment system, climate control system, energy system, cameras etc

    and then they can take on face book with facetime expanded.
    Apple is only starting
    1 Oct, 12:54 PMReplyLike2
  • Nice read. Good article highlighting some of the macro factors affecting the mighty AAPL. I seem to remember everyone running to AAPL like it was gold during the last big downturn of the market. Got long again @ 663 last week - looking for that next run to 715.
    1 Oct, 12:56 PMReplyLike2
  • "There will be a gravitational pull toward healthcare stocks like Merck (MRK), Pfizer (PFE) and Johnson and Johnson (JNJ), which offer comparatively recession-free business."

    And, those 3 have been growth-free too for much of the last 12+ years; some are even down. Their 3 to 4%+ dividends do not yield enough to make them buys for anyone other than old school. Many newer slow/no-growth stocks yield 7-10% or even more very consistently, so why settle for those old timers?

    I'll stick with AAPL and some newer and higher dividend payers.
    1 Oct, 12:58 PMReplyLike2
  • First, people have to accept the fact that Mr. Jobs is no longer the future of Apple. Mr. Cook has taken the reigns for the near future. However, by trying to establish his tenure he has now committed three mortal sins that will destroy the mystic of Apple. First, he declares a dividend, second he declares a stock buy back(these to appease the know it alls from wall street and totally against Mr. Jobs rule)third he releases a product that he knew what not ready for release. Instead of keeping the existing map for the time being, his ego said no. Going forward it is hard for me to have any confidence in Mr. Cook. He may be an MBA, but he can not be the visionary that apple needs for the future.
    1 Oct, 01:02 PMReplyLike2
  • mystique
    1 Oct, 02:37 PMReplyLike1
  • If you're trying to replace Jobs, it's simply not going to happen. There's no one out there that can even come close. Jobs was one of a kind and it's unfair to compare Cook to Jobs. Once we accept this, we can compare him to other CEOs within the tech sector and see that he stacks up just fine. Who else are you going to get?
    1 Oct, 10:48 PMReplyLike2
  • I went to an apple store yesterday to buy a iphone5 and was told they were out and didnt know when they would have any. So my wife went on line with Verizon and we were able to get two but were told it would be Oct 25th before we received it. but my point was that I was reconsidering my purchase because of all the bad pub last week. When I picked one up and held it at the Apple store, I was amazed with the feel of it. Much ligher than I expected while at the same time feeling strong. Blazing fast, three times faster than my 4s. Many more apps built in. Video was incredible and quickly downloaded. WSJ article over the weekend glowed about the 5. Bottom line of the article was "there are many good smart phones out there but only one great one".
    1 Oct, 01:07 PMReplyLike5
  • You just said that they were out of iPhone 5 at the store, and than you said that picked up one in the store. You are just like Apple, making false hype ...
    1 Oct, 02:29 PMReplyLike1
  • Stores have display phones. Retard.
    1 Oct, 02:38 PMReplyLike9
  • Try reading the comment.... Guess you didn't know you could actually hold one in the store? Weak, very weak. Not even a nice try......
    1 Oct, 03:11 PMReplyLike2
  • pirota: "picked up" doesn't literally mean purchased--you misinterpreted!
    Convingtonium: misinterpretation still doesn't mean pirota is a 'retard.' Be nice or just keep it civil; this is not a Yahoo post.
    1 Oct, 03:21 PMReplyLike2
  • pirota: "picked up" doesn't literally mean purchased--you were quick to misinterpret!
    Convingtonium: misinterpretation still doesn't mean pirota is a 'retard.' Be nice or just keep it civil; this is not a Yahoo post.
    1 Oct, 03:22 PMReplyLike0
  • OK whatever you write I still believe that very few people like this new iPhone and I think that the best weapon of Apple Inc. is its marketing department
    1 Oct, 03:30 PMReplyLike0
  • Don't waste your time with this guy. He is not retard, only 12 years old at most. Has nothing better to do than posting silly comments at every possible Apple article; editing his icon with droids eating apples, etc. Very sad.
    1 Oct, 05:38 PMReplyLike4
  • Wrong. Most people loved their 5 and updated 4s. They also love the turn by turn map service which is much better than the old Google map.
    1 Oct, 09:25 PMReplyLike2
  • I agree, surprisingly refreshing, I have GPS in my Prius, and I just assumed, after using the Prius for 8 years that turn by turn was ... er ... overrated. It's actually pretty cool.

    Now I know other phones have had this for a bit, but it's new to me as a dedicated iPhone user and it was free!
    1 Oct, 09:34 PMReplyLike1
  • I believe the market cap of Apple is larger than the GDP of your country.
    2 Oct, 06:11 AMReplyLike0
  • The good part of all the news last week - Tablets are increasingly being used for basic tasks that laptops and to a lesser degree PC's were in the past. Whether iPad, Nexus 7, Galaxy, Surface, etc.... The trend of tablet adoption will raise all boats.

    As Apple has discovered, the Mac and the iPad have different uses cases (Relevance - Traditional PC's/Laptops vs Tablets). Although they have some features in common, and can access the same ecosystem of value add services, they are different intentionally.

    As for "Stinking up the joint" - If my business sold as many of it's new products as Apple did in the 1st week, I would be extremely happy. The problem with Maps will be corrected, as will their Supply Chain issues.

    A bigger problems is that the Financial Hype engines need to be a bit more realistic on THEIR expectations. When a company gives it's guidance, it is usually for a reason. In Apple's case, component shortages and supply problems did limit sales of iPhone 5. You can't sell what you can't make and they knew that.

    Disclosure - I personally have Apple and Microsoft stock and don't plan on changes in the near-term.
    1 Oct, 01:21 PMReplyLike2
  • Basically apple has been under a bear raid. When a company and its' CEO is piled on like this it is both unfair , farfetched and will end with a stock rally. Stay focused.
    1 Oct, 01:58 PMReplyLike2
  • Agreed! Well put!
    1 Oct, 02:29 PMReplyLike1
  • They just dont get it......
    1 Oct, 02:29 PMReplyLike0
  • over the years apple was left for dead a few times. boulght at 169. not going to sell until 1000. go apple.
    1 Oct, 02:32 PMReplyLike3
  • Maybe a bad week, probably a weak quarter, probably a weak month because of distribution problems, buy have doubled down AAPL for the great 4th quarter figures that we will see on Jan 20,13
    1 Oct, 02:32 PMReplyLike1
  • The stock market is like a moody teenage girl. Dramatic highs and lows. Over blown reactions to inconsequential news. And lots of petty name calling.


    Cold rational logic dictates that this stock will get higher than 800, eventually. Low PE, no dept, fast growth, high profit margins, proven track record on new products, more cash on hand than they know what to do with etc.... Ignore the drama, the fundamentals are strong. Steve was not the only golden goose.
    1 Oct, 02:45 PMReplyLike2
  • Apple is not selling at 10 times 2012 EPS estimates as you stated, but more like 15 times. My estimate for its EPS growth over the 5 year 2013-2017 period is significantly lower than the >20% annually that you state most traders are seeing due to competition and market saturation. For it to grow 20% annually over this period would require that it double its market share from $160 billion (revenues) currently to $400 billion. The worldwide market size is now only $750 billion. Even if it reached $1 trillion in 5 years, that would mean increasing its share from the current 21% to 40%. This would be extremely unlikely unless it cuts prices, adversely affecting margins and net income. Keep in mind, I am talking about the worldwide market for all of its products. Although it currently holds a 23% share of the smartphone market, a 65% share of the tablet market, and a 78% share of the media player market, it holds only 6% of the laptop/desktop market, resulting in an overall share of 21%. Yes, it will make large gains in the smartphone and tablet markets, but I don't see it doubling its overall share. The only way that I can see it growing to $400 million in revenues by 2017 would be to enter new markets with revolutionary products as it has done so far. This is a tall order. If it sticks to consumer electronics, this is unlikely. But I don't see an icar, iplane, itrain, or ihouse on the horizon.
    1 Oct, 04:19 PMReplyLike1
  • It's hard to have such long- term estimates, imho. Would be nice if you can provide some detail about how did you reach that ww market size.

    Regarding just the phones issue: calendar year growth has been: 2009: 83%; 2010: 89%, 2011:96%; 2012: 50%,- if sales of last two Q's are 27m and 50m (quite possible)-. It was hard to think, at mid-2009, that Apple would be selling some 140m phones by now. Calendar year 2013: it's also quite possible to have another 50% growth (200m phones), if broader China market is to be reached (and there are plenty of signs of that): China mobile has 700m subscribers, most to be switched to smartphones. A mere 6% of that market share would mean 20% of year's sales estimates is achieved. Healthy growth for year 2014 could be achieved if then India and further penetration in China (and Asia in general) is possible. Granted, it would be difficult to grow higher than 20% by then. But 20% of 200m is still a huge number.

    Regarding tablets, it is an undisputed belief that this market will have a quantum growth next years. If Apple is able to retain, say, half of its current market share, a huge number is also guaranteed.

    Of course, the company will keep producing new products.One obvious is the much rumored TV; I instead have better bets in the publicity market, as it is obvious that Apple sooner or later will take a lot of ads from Google. That's the real fight Apple and Google have now. If people is bullish about GOOG future, can't see why they wouldn't be as bullish, just in this area alone, about Apple.

    We Apple longs are quite concerned about a US$50 retreat from ATH. But, in the long term, I believe this is a necessary pain, since Apple must be cleaned up of Google's and Samsung's dirt; the reason about the maps issue and the supply shortage that is driving the stock down in the short term; in fact, the only real issues regarding the stock right now.

    Finally you have the cash thing: Past Q Apple will end with at least 135 U$/share of cash and no debt. To be increased massively in CY Q4. There will be a point where Apple will have to do something with all that money. This is value for share owners waiting to be profited of.
    1 Oct, 06:52 PMReplyLike0
  • Mr. Fuchs, replace the k in your first name with the h in your last and what do you get? Early HS humor I am sure you heard before. Much like the relative AAPL hater BS, one day you will all be right.
    1 Oct, 05:35 PMReplyLike1
  • Hey, I like to elaborate a bit more on my article.

    "And though Apple reported disappointing third-quarter results and while you can marshal an argument that it will disappoint long-term, you will not be able, in this week of economic trial and tribulation, to get trader's greedy little eyes off the company's greater than 20% growth rate as far as you can adequately see."

    First of all, it turns out I was wrong on my estimated market size (used the market size for consumers, and ignored the market size for companies). After I have updated the estimates, CAGR is closer to analysts estimates (I think roughly 15-17% compared to analysts estimates of 23-24%).

    Secondly, there is probably a difference between analysts estimates and estimates by investors (those who actually decide the market price). Investors might be less bullish on Apple than analysts.

    My article never tried to argue that Apple will disappoint shareholders over the longer term. But since the long-term prospects of Apple are so hard to determine, this means that Apple is a much more risky investment than the "beta" implies (long-term).
    Over the next year (as you point out), Apple is a pretty safe investment.
    1 Oct, 05:58 PMReplyLike1
  • I guess if this guy started to praise apple I'd then start worrying.
    1 Oct, 07:07 PMReplyLike0
  • Honestly, I don't think AAPL fell on its face. Perhaps high expectations were just that - they didn't agree with reality. How many times do I have to say that AAPL is following a true product development plan?!! You release, you improve. We need to get out of the reality distortion field and get back to reality. Please.
    1 Oct, 07:24 PMReplyLike2
  • Apple COULD do wrong, and did it in the past, but people forgot about those transgressions. They will forget about this one too, in 2 more weeks.
    1 Oct, 07:32 PMReplyLike1
  • Isn't that about the time the ipad midi comes out?
    1 Oct, 07:34 PMReplyLike1
  • These kinds of disagreements are what makes a stock market. Some will buy. Some will hold. Some will sell. For the last ten years, the positive thinkers have won the battle, and very decisively. Will the next year be positive? We don't know. Apple is doing great. The products are so good that the competition just copies them. But Europe is in a major slowdown. China is also slowing. But Apple really hasn't been present in those markets. That is clearly changing in Apple's favor. Steve Jobs is gone, but his hand picked successor is Jony Ive, and he is still there, and throwing fabulous touchdown passes. I think being out of this stock is more dangerous than being in it.
    1 Oct, 08:36 PMReplyLike2
  • Interesting commentary on Steve's thoughts on maps. Prod Dev 101 if you ask me.

    http://aol.it/U3K67s
    1 Oct, 09:36 PMReplyLike1
  • Falling flat on its face is overstating it to a huge degree, considering how well the iPhone 5 has been received. Of course the map issue has been blown out of all proportion, which is what those of us who have been long Apple for a period of time love to see. Every one of these near term sell-offs by weak longs create buying opportunities at more favorable prices. The profit potential from retracing is so much greater than if the stock just went relatively straight up.

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